2.slow T build.

[Filthy Dub]

So, after much discussion with the parentals, this looks like the route I'll be going. Project car may still be a possibility, but most likely turboing my car is what will end up happening. So, I figured I'd get my own thread started, instead of constantly thread jacking and talking about stuff. I will have lots of questions, so feel free to chime in and help...I'll need it.:rolleyes:

Edit: Below is the list of parts that I will start to assemble to complete the whole kit. Tell me if I missed something :p

Parts List
- Turbocharger --
- 2.0L Exhaust Manifold -- Kinetic/TDI Cast Manifold
- Wastegate --
- BOV --
- Downpipe --
- Intake --
- Oil Feed and Drain Kits --
- Air Filter --
- MAF Housing -- VR6 3" MAF with Aluminum MAF Housing
- Hoses and Clamps -- Kinetic's with the kit.
- Injectors -- Bosch 440lb Greetop Injectors
- ECU software -- C2 440lb Injector Remap
- Boost Controller --
- Spark Plugs --
- Gaskets --
- FMIC/SMIC -- Kinetic's with the kit.
- Tapped Oil pan -- 2.0l Tapped oil pan (DIY) or BFI tapped pan
- Cam -- Autotech 260 cam
- Clutch upgrade -- Ecs tuning stage one clutch kit
- Random stuff like Fittings, Fasteners, and whatever.

Time to get some power outta this 2.slow...
http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss74/Zero41792/IMG_4693.jpg

After some research, I discovered that the AEG's stock internals are good to 300hp/tq, and there are several people running >300 with stock.

Here is the kit I've found that I'm looking at getting.

Kinetic Motorsport 2.0l Turbo kit, stg1, 2, and 3.
Stage 1 is w/o a FMIC, and Stage 3 has just about everything I'd need.
Kit is good for 170HP/170FTLB Stage 3 would up it to 250hp.

Stage 1 parts list: Cost - $2,500.00
- Rotomaster T3/T4 50Trim Turbocharger
- Kinetic Motorsport 2.0L Exhaust Manifold
- TiAL 38mm Wastegate
- 2.5" Stainless Steel Downpipe
- Powder Coated Intake
- Oil Feed and Drain Kits
- AFE Reuseable Air Filter
- Kinetic Motorsport 3" Aluminum MAF Housing
- Kinetic Motorsport Silicone Hoses and Stainless Steel Clamps
- 42# Bosch Injectors
- C2 Motorsports Flashload Software
- Fittings, Fasteners, Gaskets, Spark Plugs

Stage 3 Parts list: Cost - $3200.00
(Everything above +)
- Kinetic Motorsport Intercooler
- Kinetic Motorsport Head Spacer Gasket Kit
- C2 Motorsports Flashload Software

Links:
http://www.ctsturbo.com/products/KINETIC_MOTORSPORT_MKIV_2_0L_STAGE1_TURBO_KIT-91-45.html
http://www.ctsturbo.com/products/KINETIC_MOTORSPORT_MKIV_2_0L_STAGE3_TURBO_KIT-93-45.html

http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss74/Zero41792/kineticturbokit.jpg

So that's about it for parts so far. If anyone sees any vital components missing LMK please, because I'm trying to figure out everything I'd need :p

Here's the link to the 2.0l Turbo thread on VW Vortex with info on doing this, feel free to browse and post any discoveries.
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3272469
(A good build close to what I'd do, minus a few parts) http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=4170534

[SteamHammer]

18psi on stock internals is too high. you'll need to stay in the range of 8-12 or so. and have you tossed up the idea of making your own turbo set-up? it would cost a lot less than buying a kit. if you do buy a kit, don't get a cheap turbo! not cheap as in price, cheap as in quality. eBay turbos = FAIL! no eBay turbo kits ( CXRacing )! research ( Google ) the quality and reliability of the turbo. don't forget this is your DD and a turbo imploding and dropping metal bombs on your internals is the last thing you need. then again, it would give reason for a 1.8t swap :D. j/k. do your homework before a kit purchase and think about making your own.

[Filthy Dub]

Lol, I wouldnt want to get forced into a swap that way hahaha...but thanks, is CXRacing not good? And I know Kinetic has a good rep, but it isnt cheap. I would definitely need help making a kit. I wouldn't have a clue as to how to make a whole kit :( lol

[theboostedsnail]

cx racing is good no greddy or turbonetics...but they have there own drift team etc they are really actually quite good for the price but its all personal choice but just because someone is cheaper doesnt make them shitty steamhammer...most turbos are manufactured in the same plant but you pay for a name i.e. turbonetics and gredy

[SteamHammer]

not too hard. i would gladly offer assistance where needed. not that CXR is no good, just their turbos are crap. cheap parts. trust me, everyone has thought about them at one time or another, hell a $120 new turbo! but thats just it, crap quality and not reliable. intercoolers and piping should be fine for street and low boost applications. i'm probably going to go with a GodSpeed ( basically the same thing ) intercooler. there's lots of help out there, just ask.

** CX turbos are no where near the same quality as GReddy or Turbonetics and are NOT made in the same factory! Japan and China are completely different countries...

[theboostedsnail]

yea i wasnt gettin defensive or anything im just sayin im willing to bet there turbo will handle the 270hp, i mean i would never go with them for high boost high hp, and they are actually very reputable just overshadowed by the big giant companies...i personally choose hellion or hp performance but those are mustang and v8 guys

[Filthy Dub]

Well let's see, Id need these basic parts to get a kit going, correct me on what I'm missing

Parts:
- Turbocharger
- 2.0L Exhaust Manifold
- Wastegate
- Downpipe
- Intake
- Oil Feed and Drain Kits
- Air Filter
- MAF Housing
- Hoses and Clamps
- Injectors
- ECU software
- Spark Plugs
- Gaskets
- Random stuff like Fittings, Fasteners, and whatever.

[Filthy Dub]

Oh, and some form of FMIC or SMIC, and a tapped oil pan.

[theboostedsnail]

well you can tap your own pan if you fing out the exact spot you would just have to be careful...and the list sounds pretty good to me little things here and there but for the most part yes

[SteamHammer]

yea i wasnt gettin defensive or anything im just sayin im willing to bet there turbo will handle the 270hp, i mean i would never go with them for high boost high hp, and they are actually very reputable just overshadowed by the big giant companies...i personally choose hellion or hp performance but those are mustang and v8 guys

didn't take offense man, my bad if i pushed my point too hard :D. just like i've heard great things about Master Power, but i wouldn't purchase one. just a choice. just for builds, especially with a DD build, reliability is #1.

depending on the stock flow, your injectors may be enough for low boost. will go more detailed tomorrow, my son won't go to bed until i act like i am :D.

[theboostedsnail]

see its all opinion i def would prefer turbonetics, greddy, hks, or garrett before them but hey sometimes money is scarce lol...like personally im runnin a very undersized turbo for my car right now but its boosted lol and im lookin for either a gt35r or hp performance 66mm

[Filthy Dub]

Alright, I'll be checking this while I'm in school :spy: as well as looking up some more research. And agreed about the reliability part, for $100 extra, the kinetic comes with a Garrett.

[theboostedsnail]

yea if you go with the kinetic i would def pay the extra hundred i have never heard of rotomaster lol but hell if not save money and buy the cxr intercooler and piping and buy a good turbo :)

[Filthy Dub]

Just discovered the TDI mani bolts right onto the 2.0l...those shouldnt be too bad to find:confused: And new plan, 8-12 psi :D unless I find something else through research.

[carguy07]

If you do want a complete kit, just find one used and jump on it. I got a $5500 kit (granted that price was from 2004ish) for $1500, along with about $500 worth of extras. Good deals are out there, just not on the company's web page. Same thing goes for putting one together.

[Filthy Dub]

Only problem is 2.0l kits are hard enough to find new, I'll be on the lookout though. I would definitely get it if I saw one.

[carguy07]

Only problem is 2.0l kits are hard enough to find new, I'll be on the lookout though. I would definitely get it if I saw one.

lol at hard enough to find. my car was only made for 6 years, i have to lie about the year all the time just so the people at Advance don't go crazy. the kit i got is probably less than 1 of 20 ever produced and was actually the very first one put together. only two companies ever made a kit for my car (Gude and Focus Power), everything else we have to steal from the Focus.

[Filthy Dub]

Lol, ok so maybe yours is hard too, but after looking at people's builds, it looks like Kinetic's kit is actually pretty well priced for what you get...I mean this guy got all this:

Part Price (Spent)

Boost Gauge-- $60.00
Water Temp Gauge-- $55.00
Oil Temp Gauge-- $55.00
Gauge Pod -- $120.00
Turbo-- $675.00
Manifold-- $170.00
Injectors-- $200.00
ECU Tuning-- $375.00
Wideband-- $307.00
FMIC-- $200.00
Piping-- $300.00
Cat-- $113.21
Clutch-- $339.95
silicone-- $69.50
DV-- $95.00


TOTAL $3,134.66

And the kit is less than that with more stuff. Granted he did a bit extra...

[98dsm]

As far as turbo concerns you really need to look at compressor maps to see if you will be in the efficency range. And 18 psi is alot on stock motor. It is a whole lot cheaper to build your own kit. Reasons being you get better quality parts. It doesn't matter who you buy a kit from they all even big name manufactors cut corners somewhere so thats why i say build your own. Also you can pick a turbo for more of your goal rather than some turbo that they can get in bulks at a cheap price i.e. t3 or t3t4. This gives you the chance to find a turbo that will provide better powerband. There are lots of things to consider but you will be alot happier with going a different route than everyone else. Patience is key. And since this your daily driver I would really take my time and buy quality parts. Also quality doesn't mean expensive it just takes alot of research and with the support of the forum you will be fine. Also i willing to help also if you needed any help.

[Discontained]

Lol, ok so maybe yours is hard too, but after looking at people's builds, it looks like Kinetic's kit is actually pretty well priced for what you get...I mean this guy got all this:

And the kit is less than that with more stuff. Granted he did a bit extra...

Doesnt your dash show oil temp/water temp? Also you dont need a cat, a good test pipe and youll be good to go.

I have a SMIC you could have Zach, i wont need it as i have 3 already lol. If I was you I would go with the Kinetic stage 1, get a basic kit and start from there. That would be with in the saftey limits for the engine, trans, axles, etc. Once you have the basic kit it will be easy to upgrade from then if you feeling spunky and wanna step up the motor go with JE pistons, and scat rods. ARP bolts. Also get a Timing Belt kit, so thats one less thing to worry about.


18psi on stock internals is too high. you'll need to stay in the range of 8-12 or so.

Not true...

Depending on turbo size, fueling, exhaust, and tune. AEG crank is pretty strong. The 2.0 motors are well built. Most people doing the T swaps have stock internals pushing good HP& Boost. However depending on how well the motor was taken care of, compression, etc.. could shorten the life of it just like any other car. The AEG motors are pretty good holding its own.

[Filthy Dub]

Ya, I've read of several builds with many thousands of miles on stock internals, >300hp/tq tho. And ya, I was kinda thinking of getting the stage 1, then adding in parts i'd need/want to upgrade it. Only thing is stage 1 is like 400 less than stage 3, so its almost just worth it to get stage 3, I mean I'd be getting the FMIC, and a few other things to tie it all in. As my DD I'd stay around 275hp MAX...But I was looking at FMIC kits and it looks like they're in the range of 250-850...How important is it to get a good quality one? Also what about an oil cooler? Btw, my guage shows oil temp. Oh, and I'll have to see about the SMIC, I'd prefer FMIC, but not sure yet.

[BlazinAzian]

I got the turbo kit off my celica that is for sale, you r could scavenge a lot of parts from it if you want. Nice turbo, Garrett gt28rs. lmk. Also I don't doubt the engine can take 18 psi...but it wont take it for long. lol

[Filthy Dub]

lol, I changed my plan with that, looking at like 8-12 but idk for sure...And alright, I just have to plan what I'm going to do, either kit, and then upgrades, or assemble my own kit. What parts do you have? And about what size is that turbo? Compared to the T3/T4

[BlazinAzian]

Well i'm in class now so I will have to post the list up later. lol Unless Will gets on, cause he knows most of the info about my kit.

[Filthy Dub]

Alright, I'm in school too, so I'll just check it when I get home most likely.

[SteamHammer]

yeah, i definitely don't doubt it can handle 18psi. but in general, N/A motors with boost on top of stock internals use lower psi. the higher you go, the more strain there is. i'd stay conservitive, especially if it was my DD and wanted to keep it that way. JMO.

[Filthy Dub]

I'm going to be, I dont want to risk blowing anything, just looking for something a bit quicker.

[SteamHammer]

did a quick 5 min search on items for a custom set-up for your car. without injectors ( depends on if yours flow enough to support the psi you want ), you should be able to acquire all the parts you need for ~$1500+/-. **edit** of course this completely depends on what turbo you choose to go with. that price includes an oil cooler as well, you may or may not want one. if you did all the work yourself ( or had some pro bono help :D ), that would leave you plenty to take it somewhere and get her dyno'd/tuned a little ( from what i've heard that's around $300-500 depending ). i would do that anyway...that's just me. this of course does not count the clutch ( unless your stock unit will handle the power ). good luck making your decision.

[Filthy Dub]

Cool, I may try and piece together my own, as it seems much cheaper. About the oil cooler, how important would this be? And I think I might get like a stage 1 or 2 clutch upgrade, but it may come a little after the kit. Who does dyno tuning around here tho?

[SteamHammer]

oil cooler would be a good idea. no one tunes around here, from what i know anyway. and i've heard horror stories of the shops in ATL. i think there are a few in FL...not sure man. i'm in the same boat as you on that one because i will be needing a good place to go as well.

[Discontained]

Cool, I may try and piece together my own, as it seems much cheaper. About the oil cooler, how important would this be? And I think I might get like a stage 1 or 2 clutch upgrade, but it may come a little after the kit. Who does dyno tuning around here tho?

apr

[Filthy Dub]

Thats what I was thinking, but idk if they do 2.0's, I know they do for most other VW/Audi engines tho

[Discontained]

if not.. go to my fav place in atl.. J3 Motorsport.

http://www.j3motorsport.com

[Filthy Dub]

Alright, for the dyno yes?

[Discontained]

well if you want you can ride along with me one weekend when I take the car to get it tuned. Its always fun on the dyno.

[Filthy Dub]

Sure, when you going? After the swap?

[Discontained]

Yea im thinking mid- april

[Filthy Dub]

Alright, I'll go then, as long as its a weekend :D

[BlazinAzian]

Cool, I may try and piece together my own, as it seems much cheaper. About the oil cooler, how important would this be? And I think I might get like a stage 1 or 2 clutch upgrade, but it may come a little after the kit. Who does dyno tuning around here tho?

Oil cooler will help extend the life of your oil, because turbo'd cars go thru it quicker. BE SURE to change oil on time!!!

Also you will be getting a clutch upgrade if you are palning on almost doubling your hp. I went thru my stock one in about a week and that was trying not to mess it up. on the bright side you can get a new flywheel while you're at it. The CV's might need to be beefed up a little too.

[Filthy Dub]

Crap, why do so many parts need upgrading! ):<

[BlazinAzian]

Because the car wasn't meant to handle that much from the factory like factory trubo'd cars. It can be done but it takes more.

[SteamHammer]

Because the car wasn't meant to handle that much from the factory like factory trubo'd cars. It can be done but it takes more.

+1. the axles may be alright. i'm not sure on the limits of yours :confused:. some cars have weak, crap axles. you might want to ask about that. but look for that clutch upgrade.

[Filthy Dub]

ECS Tuning has one, different stages too, stage 1 is $300 and is good for 250hp and 275tq

http://www.ecstuning.com/Volkswagen-Golf_IV--2.0/Drivetrain/Clutch/ES125/

Another option would be the Stage 2 kit w/o fly wheel. And then buy flywheel seperatly

http://www.ecstuning.com/Volkswagen-Golf_IV--2.0/Drivetrain/Clutch/ES125/

http://www.ecstuning.com/Volkswagen-Golf_IV--2.0/Drivetrain/Clutch/ES7074/

[Kevo]

Alright, for the dyno yes?

Tommy @ TWM worked in an AUDI/Porsche Speed Shop so he has plenty of experience with them...last I heard he was thinking around spring for the dyno.

[Filthy Dub]

Cool, the guy who was at the show right? I wont do this until summer so.

[Kevo]

Cool, the guy who was at the show right? I wont do this until summer so.

Yeah, just throwing his name out there for another possible tuner for ya since he is closer. He can speak more on his background than I can, just give him a call whenever you are ready.

[Filthy Dub]

Cool I'll look into it.

[Filthy Dub]

Update:

I think I found the cam I would pair with the build. The Autotech 270* cam. TT disconinued their 260/268, and people say that the 270 is the best you can get for the 2.0 AEG motor, also its great for boosted applications. I would probably change the springs, but it does say "Recommended, but not necessary."

Question about springs, I wouldn't need new retainers would I? Autotech sells springs individually, and they sell them in sets. Lmk if anyone's done this. :confused:

Link to cams and springs:

http://www.autotech.com/prod_engine_camshafts.htm#8vcams

http://www.autotech.com/prod_engine_valvetrains.htm#svs

Edit: Decided to add a parts list to the front to keep track of everything, lmk what I missed.

[Filthy Dub]

Figured out what clutch upgrade I'm gonna get, ECS Stage 1. Someone even has one up on VWVortex for $280 obo right now...but I dont think I have enough for it and shipping :(
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=4719284

Also found a few chip ideas, Unitronic, GIAC, and Upsolute.

[Filthy Dub]

Updated the list. Another question, would I need a boost controller or would ECU programming do the trick? :confused:

[carguy07]

Updated the list. Another question, would I need a boost controller or would ECU programming do the trick? :confused:

your wastegate spring would do fine. boost controllers aren't necessary unless you are planning to mess with it from time to time. turning a knob is much easier than swapping out wastegate springs.

[Filthy Dub]

Ok just checking. I'm kind of a turbo noob still...

[Discontained]

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=1713356

[Filthy Dub]

Dammnit :/ Why'd ya hafta go and show me that...I want a Rabbit :pout:

[BlazinAzian]

do it.

[Filthy Dub]

I would have to pay insurance on it tho...

[Filthy Dub]

So I got some ECS underdrive pulleys, should be here Thursday and on by Sunday. Cams next week sometime.

[theboostedsnail]

very nice small step by small step will get her done lol

[Filthy Dub]

Yup, I'm just looking to get some more before the kit, and kinda prep for it. Should have 3 more mods before track day so maybe I'll be more competitive haha.

[theboostedsnail]

ha nice so when did we decide track day was lol

[Filthy Dub]

Ha it just got stickied April 17-18 (17 is ma birf day lol)

[theboostedsnail]

no one cares zach lol jk :) you should have cams and shit by then right

[Filthy Dub]

Ya. I should have pulleys and cams.

[Discontained]

are you needing my assistance? always down for some vdub tunage

[Filthy Dub]

Most def. My pulleys should get in today and I'm going to try and get them all on Saturday/Sunday. But I also have to run my wheels up to ATL to sell to a guy of Vortex. Probably Sunday morning. So if your free I would LOVE some help lol.

[Filthy Dub]

Pulleys came in today. Probably start on them tomorrow.

[Discontained]

word fükäh, hit me up when u do

[Filthy Dub]

Got the new crank pulley and power steering pulley on today. The alternator pulley is gonna be a bi7ch tho. So that will be another day. Car feels a lot smoother, revs faster and smoother. The difference in weight was incredible. The crank pulley weighed like 3lbs...New one was like 1/2 a lb.

[Filthy Dub]

Just bought the 260 cam from MJMAutohaus for like 45 bucks off. Should go on in a few weeks.

[theboostedsnail]

very nice man one piece at a time lol

[Kevo]

Get all that installed and then throw some nitrous at the motor...

[Filthy Dub]

God never...NOS is scaryyyyy. But ya, its coming along.

[Discontained]

God never...NOS is scaryyyyy. But ya, its coming along.

lol no its not, its quite fun. ESPEICALLY if you forget to turn it off and you try to powerslide into the welcome center in a GTO.. lol 250 shot ftw

[Filthy Dub]

Lmao...You will have to tell me this story one day...sounds like you almost died.

[Filthy Dub]

Well cams here Wednesday. Hopefully be in by Sunday. Also have to install the UD alternator pulley still. Since I've done 3 performance mods last I'm gonna do a few small visual things to the car. I would like to find some spacers to give the car a bit wider stance. Looking to get either 8-10mm front spacers and 15-20mm rear spacers. Also thinking about tint maybe. Idk yet just throwing some Ideas out there.

Also updated the parts list again.

[Filthy Dub]

Woot! Me and Mike got the cams in today in 3 hours! New record lol... Well we got it all done and fired it up. No problems so far, small test drive under 4k rpm. Tomorrow is WOT! I can't wait to test it on the butt dyno! Props to Mike btw... Pics up ina bit, video tomorrow maybe.

[Discontained]

Woot! Me and Mike got the cams in today in 3 hours! New record lol... Well we got it all done and fired it up. No problems so far, small test drive under 4k rpm. Tomorrow is WOT! I can't wait to test it on the butt dyno! Props to Mike btw... Pics up ina bit, video tomorrow maybe.

werd suckafish.

[Filthy Dub]

Well I found some inspiration on VWVortex today...Now if only I could custom fab some of this stuff like this guy did. He has a really nice build he just finished up.

http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss74/Zero41792/SRI.jpg

http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss74/Zero41792/SRI1.jpg

http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss74/Zero41792/20T1.jpg

http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss74/Zero41792/20T2.jpg

http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss74/Zero41792/20T3.jpg

http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss74/Zero41792/20T.jpg

And here's a picture of some long term goals. I'm using this for a rough idea of what my car will look like completed. With a few adjustments.
http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss74/Zero41792/20th.jpg

[Filthy Dub]

Been talking to a guy from USRT on VWVoretx and he said he could get me the Kinetic stage 3 for $3200. not bad, he also said don't get the S/C because its barely upgradeable, and it costs just as much as the turbo. Idk still, think I'm leaning towards the turbo more now though but I'll just have to see what kinda money I got this summer.

[theboostedsnail]

yea man the thing with SC is if its roots style then you will make bottom end power but lack in top end becaus of parasitic loss because the sc has to be run of the rotation of the puley, IMHO i wouldnt SC it because of that reason, now centrifugal styles are better but nothing beats a turbo when it comes to power because it is non parasitic and runs of exhaust gas...so if it was me i would most def do the turbo, that is if money permits lol...this is all just my 2 cents

[Filthy Dub]

Ya I will just have to see. With the stage 3 I could get up to 275ish whp

[Filthy Dub]

Yes finally here are the pictures from the cam install. I need to get a video still.

http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss74/Zero41792/IMG_2943.jpg

http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss74/Zero41792/IMG_2944.jpg

http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss74/Zero41792/IMG_2945.jpg

http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss74/Zero41792/IMG_2946.jpg

http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss74/Zero41792/IMG_2947.jpg

http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss74/Zero41792/IMG_2948.jpg

http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss74/Zero41792/IMG_2949.jpg

http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss74/Zero41792/IMG_2950.jpg

http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss74/Zero41792/IMG_2951.jpg

[Rbelaez21]

Hey mike if i get a Vw Gti could i have an intercooler?

[Filthy Dub]

I think that I know what I'm going to do now. I've thought about it and I really just dont see the point in trying to do anything else to this 2.slow. I plan on dropping in a 1.8T this summer and working with that. After several hundred in upgrades I can see why people don't bother trying to make anything out of the 2.0l its just not a performance engine. So I'll be using all of the parts I bought and swapping them over to a 1.8T (except for the cams which I'll have to sell.) More details when I find out some more info. Oh and I'll be trying to find a 1.8t out of a VW, hopefully the 20th anv. but we'll see.

[Rbelaez21]

Zach did you talk to the guy that i told you to talk to? i think he still has his. and his engine if already done. think about it and let me know what he says.


i want his seats and stuff along with his sound system... oh and ask his about the jti conversion cause it might be in good shape

[Filthy Dub]

Ya, and he has sold most of the stuff, he only has the short block still and a few other upgrades, but I think I would rather get a full swap for like 2k.

[Rbelaez21]

oh ok.. that sucks. where are you going to get it from?

[Filthy Dub]

Hmm...I found a VR6 that might be worth looking into...http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?4878768-Totalled-02-GLI-VR6-%28STILL-RUNS%29&p=65691313#post65691313 guy wants 1800 for the whole car so I bet I could net his VR6 and the 6 speed manual for a good price.

[Filthy Dub]

Oh and this is the year it went to a 24v 2.8l with around 200whp.

[Rbelaez21]

sweet man do it!

zach think about it...VR6 + twin turbo= beat a ferrari


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rR3i2qIak_k

[SteamHammer]

that is with AWD on the VW and no traction at all from the Ferrari ( smoking tires at the tree = bad! ) :p. i would say single turbo on the VR6. that's a gansta ass swap, but it will cost some serious cheese. engine ( possibly have to purchase accessories if the engine is not complete ), trans & mounts + forged internals + turbo set-up cost + clutch + drag radials or slicks ( if you plan on having good time slips at the track ) + axles + labor ( unless you have the ability to do this yourself ) + tuning labor = num num empty wallet and negative bank account. of coarse assuming you would be doing all this and not half-assing the build. 1.8t is a nice, conservative and dependable swap with great gains without completely draining your budget.

[Filthy Dub]

Yea I think I would build it as all motor then eventually S/C it or something. VR6 S/C are awesome. But this is assuming I get it haha. The guy said the whole car for 1800 and that has everything for the complete swap.

[SteamHammer]

that's a good deal. how many miles are on the motor?

[Filthy Dub]

111k I think. But if I had the motor sitting there I could rebuild it and get it nice and restored before the swap. Guy said the trans and motor are both good.

[Rbelaez21]

You Whore!

[Filthy Dub]

Lol...you brought this upon yourself.

[Rbelaez21]

zach you dont have to do this

[Filthy Dub]

Damn...the car is in Connecticut and for shipping the trans and motor its gonna be like 250ish. I guess not too bad though for the 6 speed and a 24v VR6.

Found another more realistic option. There's a guy in Stone Mountain with the 180hp 1.8T engine for $1900.00 And I wouldn't have to pay shipping. Complete swap I just have to go pick it up...hmm

[Rbelaez21]

Damn...the car is in Connecticut and for shipping the trans and motor its gonna be like 250ish. I guess not too bad though for the 6 speed and a 24v VR6.

Found another more realistic option. There's a guy in Stone Mountain with the 180hp 1.8T engine for $1900.00 And I wouldn't have to pay shipping. Complete swap I just have to go pick it up...hmm

zach do it!! i'll help and we can both roll with 1.8T's...

[Filthy Dub]

Talked to him and he said its a whole Jetta that he has but the trans has some problem, car runs and the motor has low mileage. I'm considering this, I would have everything I need there in the car and the Jetta front end to go JTI. This is starting to sound possible.

[Rbelaez21]

Talked to him and he said its a whole Jetta that he has but the trans has some problem, car runs and the motor has low mileage. I'm considering this, I would have everything I need there in the car and the Jetta front end to go JTI. This is starting to sound possible.

f u!! NOW YOU HAVE A jti SWAP! you suck zach... at the same time i am happy for you. well do it so we can get started.. and i can sell you my ko3s when you get it

[Filthy Dub]

true...Or I can just steal that GT3071r

[Rbelaez21]

hmmmm... how about....NOOOO!! not possible

[Filthy Dub]

lol...ok maybe just the ko3s until I get a GT28 or a Ko4

[Rbelaez21]

sounds good to me!!

[Filthy Dub]

I think the GT28 would be my max...there would be so much lag past the 30 I think.

[Rbelaez21]

i know ill get a sh*t ton of lag but i dont care... if i get a good boost controller i can fix that to some extent....

[Filthy Dub]

True, I'll be interested to see how much it will be.

[Rbelaez21]

same.. i just calculated that it i get the internals and engine extras i want plus suspension clutch flywheel and rims..it would come out to be around $5K


:( i dont have that money...(tear)

[Filthy Dub]

One piece at a time man...I've got like 2500-3k in mine...you'd be surprised how it adds up.

[carguy07]

Zach see if this is worth your time. I know it's ebay, but it would be a solid improvement over stock.

http://www.importatlanta.com/forums/showthread.php?294878-Full-Turbo-Setup-for-2.0-Golf-Gti-...

[Filthy Dub]

Hmm interesting...idk do you think its worth it?

[carguy07]

I didn't check ebay to see what they go for, but a full kit for 400 is cheap cheap. The turbo would not be very reliable above low boost, but I know many people who have used ones like this successfully.

[Filthy Dub]

Ya that is pretty cheap, which concerns me but Idk...I'll try to research this more.

Just purchased my 20th aniv. sideskirts yesterday so they should be on by next weekend. They'll look similar to this.
http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss74/Zero41792/Sawblades2.jpg